14117 2008-01-22 02:09:37 +0300 locales are deleted according to the language 2008-05-14 22:23:52 +0400 1 1 4 Development Sisyphus alterator-sysconfig unstable all Linux CLOSED FIXED P2 normal --- 1 dottedmag rider antohami boyarsh cas ktirf ldv mike rider rom_as snejok wart qa-sisyphus oldest_to_newest 61690 0 dottedmag 2008-01-22 02:09:37 +0300 Many locales are deleted during installation because they are marked as %lang-files. This is utterly wrong, as available locales should not be bound to the language selected during installation. 61691 1 ldv 2008-01-22 02:42:12 +0300 Described behavior was introduced in glibc-locales-2.2.5-alt5 (20.05.2002) and was mentioned in the %changelog entry for that release. There is a macro switch, langify, which controls (at glibc build time) whether glibc-locales subpackage will be built langified or not. The default is to enable langify. AWAIR the reason for this default was to save disk space. 61692 2 dottedmag 2008-01-22 02:54:04 +0300 I doubt it is useful anywhere except the embedded device. Maybe it should be disabled by default? 2ktirf: please note. 61705 3 wart 2008-01-22 12:55:05 +0300 I agree :) Removing locales forever, even during updates and glibc-locales reinstalls, just because I used to choose "English" as an *installation* language in the installer is just plain wrong. If we can't handle full-blown locales packages, let's reinvent the whee^W^WDebian runtime locale generation mechanism and propose the users to choose the locales they'd like to have compiled. 61748 4 ktirf 2008-01-23 03:12:56 +0300 I agree with dottedmag@. Given that ALT Linux has some installation prospects in regions with non-Russian, non-English locales, I believe we have to install all translated messages. Btw, how much space is saved thanks to langify? (estimated, if there are no actual data) 61749 5 ldv 2008-01-23 03:27:03 +0300 (In reply to comment #4) > I agree with dottedmag@. Given that ALT Linux has some installation prospects in > regions with non-Russian, non-English locales, I believe we have to install all > translated messages. Nobody forces us to activate %_install_langs in /etc/rpm/macros file during OS installation. > Btw, how much space is saved thanks to langify? (estimated, > if there are no actual data) $ du -hsc /usr/lib64/locale/{en,ru}_* |fgrep total 4.7M total $ du -hs /usr/lib64/locale 64M /usr/lib64/locale So, is there any reason to install all locales, but at the same time install only russian translations? If yes, then there is a reason to disable langify in glibc-locales. If no, then there is a reason to disable %_install_langs in installer. 61750 6 ktirf 2008-01-23 03:30:21 +0300 Only Russian translations are not suitable. I have just received a request about Spanish localization in ALT Linux %-) 61756 7 dottedmag 2008-01-23 09:20:12 +0300 > So, is there any reason to install all locales, but at the same time install only russian translations? Yes. If l10n is stripped then user gets English messages, which is ok (for some value of ok). If locales are stripped then user gets broken system which can't handle his LC_CTYPE/LC_COLLATE/LC_ WHATEVER (especially if user logs in using ssh). 61789 8 ktirf 2008-01-23 19:49:16 +0300 Do 60M matter that much nowadays? 61792 9 ldv 2008-01-23 20:19:20 +0300 (In reply to comment #8) > Do 60M matter that much nowadays? translations take less disk space than locales. 61793 10 ldv 2008-01-23 20:23:57 +0300 Let's disable %_install_langs in installer then. 61794 11 ktirf 2008-01-23 20:33:22 +0300 (In reply to comment #9) > (In reply to comment #8) > > Do 60M matter that much nowadays? > > translations take less disk space than locales. Oh. That's a surprise to me. Live and learn %-) 61805 12 wart 2008-01-23 23:36:03 +0300 (In reply to comment #10) > Let's disable %_install_langs in installer then. I agree, that was more of a bug in the installer than in glibc-locales. 61818 13 inger 2008-01-24 09:58:54 +0300 OK, I will disable %__rpm_install_langs in the next alterator-sysconfig release. 64854 14 ldv 2008-02-29 20:14:49 +0300 Was fixed in alterator-sysconfig-0.5-alt2 64856 15 ldv 2008-02-29 20:16:25 +0300 *** Bug 14706 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***